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Enseigner le concept de liberté à des juifs extrémistes? une tentative à Tel Aviv
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rogergonnet
2016-12-31 08:23:59 UTC
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Teaching the Tradition of Freedom to Israel's Ultra-Orthodox


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By Peter Berkowitz
December 29, 2016



TEL AVIV—Last week, I taught an intensive two-day seminar in Jerusalem on
the tradition of modern freedom to male haredi (“God fearing” in Hebrew) or
ultra-Orthodox, Jews. The students were particularly drawn to the challenge
of reconciling the claims of individual liberty and democratic
self-government with their exacting form of traditional Jewish belief and
practice.

The struggle to harmonize freedom and faith is hardly unique to the
ultra-Orthodox -- or to Israel. But few groups within contemporary liberal
democracies experience the conflict as a greater threat than do Israel’s
ultra-Orthodox. And few of today’s liberal democracies have a more urgent
interest in facilitating a rapprochement between a deeply pious minority and
the essential requirements of a modern nation-state than does Israel.

The students’ presence in the seminar—offered by the Tikvah Fund, a New York
City-based philanthropic foundation—was anything but routine. The
ultra-Orthodox in Israel are largely products of a separate, gender-divided,
state-funded educational system. It revolves around the study of Talmud and
other sacred Jewish texts while excluding history, literature, political
thought, economics, foreign languages, science, and other secular subjects.
Because several students spoke little or no English, the class was conducted
in Hebrew.

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Herisson grognon
2016-12-31 11:20:17 UTC
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(...) The
ultra-Orthodox in Israel are largely products of a separate, gender-divided,
state-funded educational system. It revolves around the study of Talmud and
other sacred Jewish texts while excluding history, literature, political
thought, economics, foreign languages, science, and other secular subjects.
Because several students spoke little or no English, the class was conducted
in Hebrew.
Ca ressemble beaucoup à la pratique des ultra-musulmans qui se fondent
sur l'étude du coran à l'exclusion de tout autre thème, vraiment
beaucoup.

Alain
rogergonnet
2017-01-02 09:39:11 UTC
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Post by Herisson grognon
(...) The
ultra-Orthodox in Israel are largely products of a separate,
gender-divided,
state-funded educational system. It revolves around the study of Talmud and
other sacred Jewish texts while excluding history, literature, political
thought, economics, foreign languages, science, and other secular subjects.
Because several students spoke little or no English, the class was conducted
in Hebrew.
Ca ressemble beaucoup à la pratique des ultra-musulmans qui se fondent
sur l'étude du coran à l'exclusion de tout autre thème, vraiment
beaucoup.
et ça revient toujours au même: mouvements totalitaires qui n'admettent pas
le moindre avis opposé.

Chez les juifs comme partout ailleurs.

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